And just to be fair, the introduction of M41 to the German tree has improved the situation dramatically. Step forward progressively, oh how I haven't seen that argument before. The Soviet nation has very little at 6.X--almost as few vehicles as the Americans do at 4.X. This trend follows most nations and Germany is no exception. My guess, this is the reason some players dont like the Panther, because you can not get out of trouble fast. In an one on one battle with one cap point andrough, uneven terrain you will lose against the M18 in your panther 8 out of 10 times. As a mainly (90% of battles or more) German player I have to debunk one thing. Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. Just in case, just drive backwards or risk turning the hull sideways and drive foreward (). Other options like FW's with 1000kg bomb drops are just too bad in a fighter role, as well as the Me 262 Pulkzerstrer. The T28 is indeed scumy, not because its to op but because its almost the same tank as the T95 but at a lower br also the side armor thing matters a lot, this is a slow tank, THE slowest tank actually, the panther and tiger have enough speed to compansate for it unlike the HUGE top speed of 13 km/h that the T28. The personal well being of the person who capped it means little to the team if they have succeeded--that part of their reason for being is fulfilled by then. As a bad player I would say that German ground vehicles require a lot of patience to play effectively. A COMMENTARY ON THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS - Bonar. ", Road Cycling, Scale Modeling, RC Tank, Military History. FInally we can do much more than to just get flanked. He will retreat and find a way around you. Just an observation maybe its just me. Mobility: The complaint: One of the most common complaints that is leveled against the nation of Germany is a perceived lack of mobility. Long range eliminations tend to be how I foil most of the cappers I kill. I never said the hull was bad on the t series i have stated that as long as you don't hit the tracks you pen and the other thread we are in has showed that. Useful on certain maps. Well you know what they say, the turtle always wins. Thats why the Germans tend to be passive. And the T series has a thick turret but the tiger 2 has a better hull. 1. jagdtiger having stupidly high Br at 7.3 arcade. Weaponry, This is of course a burden if you're in a CQC situation where the APDS will easily pen your frontal armor. .50 CALs are overpreforming by a mile. (well until last update and the introduction of M41). Because heat rounds don't care about armor. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Otherwise we can also assume incompetent Panther players who just drive on the highest hill and stand in the open hoping that noone sees them and try to snipe enemies. But only at long range. And as I've tested myself it was consistent to take out the 2 crew members on the one side of the breach ay 400 meters. You don't want that then that is fine, noted. No matter how well you argue or what evidence you cite, you will inevitably be attacked by the people who cling to beliefs of German victimhood if you speak out against it--the believers dont want to hear dissent--just know about that. With this you will keep your RPM high and get moving fast. Most matches against germany is like this, constant spam of Me 262's, arados, Do 335's, He 219's. So many BS planes capable of taking out 5-10 tanks before running out of ammo (but you know, US CAS is soo OP) Worst thing about it, allies can't do shit back. Even so, better reverse speed on competing tanks does not in itself put those competing tanks (like M18s), as they can have drawbacks of their own. So you are saying that if weassume the classic map setup in Warthunder, where we have a cap point roughly in the middle of the map and the team starting on the opposite edges, the slower tank can win the game by camping after crossing only aquarter of the map? Because heat rounds don't care about armor. I don't feel I need assume such things as this is already quite relevant to my interests. Really? While true a slower tank doesn'tneed totravel very far to find a position that overlooks the positions one wouldplan on exploiting so by the time the fast tanks shows up the slow tankis waiting in its position ready to fire as the fast tank usually has to travel across half the map and the slow tank only has to travel a quarter of the map or less to counter. What? The issue is that T__ are better than every heavy in game all the way up until the IS-3, and their BR should reflect that. Interesting thing about predicting the predictable itshighly accurate. Still more enjoyable than japanese start off. Pretty unfair that almost all US tanks have those AA HMGs. One last thing I forgot is american tanks have .50s, so good luck aiming for weak spots when your enemy is blinding you and taking out your barrel literally as soon as he spots you. With so few vehicles in their selections at 4.X and 6.X, the Americans and Russians face much worse situations with uptiers. But the T34doesn't wreck anymore havok than a Tiger 2 h 10.5 does. I bought the premium centurion to grind britain and rarely had this problem. One thing to mention is that german 6.7 is actually really good against soviet 6.7, it's the stabilized brit APDS ATGM throwers and impenetrable american T__ heavy tanks that really hurt. You can pen various parts of the of them and can with apcr. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! Fires, backs up to cover from return fire etc, flanks if need be. I agree though that the lines should be redone, but not only for Germany but for all the nations. Which is why its more rewarding when they pull it off as they had to put more effort into making it work and that's what people need nowadays a challenge. Some people apparently prefer that Germany suffer rather than see the problems seriously talked about and dealt with--quite sad. I want to see where you are shooting and with what cause even when i play the AMX M4 which has 215mm of pen btw I've never bounced off the side of a T series tank. Those three qualities are what control the tank's ability. Click here to jump to that post. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. 7. Recently I got the MiG 19s and its just been soul draining bad because off missile spamming and almost constant uptears, so I try to go back to the MiG 15 and G.91 but they experience a similar problem. Oh definitely trade-offs are to be expected. Powered by Invision Community. Canon CAS is quite strong if left unchecked. Welcome to r/Warthunder. Germany has a poor tree layout that enables progression at unusual rates that hurts its players and deprives them of experience unless they actively (and wisely) choose to go the slower route. FRENCH AVIATION TREE IS A JOKE! (and enjoy the performance of APCR). And here comes the issue with uptiers. Grant was buried on 4 December 1995 at the cemetery opposite his mansion, with the funeral service held at St Peter and St Paul's Church, Hailsham, East Sussex. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. Is a panther really a good vehicle for flanking? I "like" how you start out this topic with some kind of meme-theme, that there's nothing to it more than it being perceived as "suffering!" Let me repeat that. Again as stated before in other threads it is an option it is not viable in most instances as you typically just die. Its an endless cycle so you better get used to it. Incorrect in so many levels. And T are not impenetrable unless you're downtiered and there are spots you can go througg although theybare easily covered up. That's your personal preference. If you turn it to the side you just shoot the huge side of the turret. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. I'd recommend not making part of the argument then to begin with, The argument is that a more mobile tank has the better "tools", traits call it however you want to exploit this knowledge. I am sure that these questions are on many peoples' minds and you are asked at least some of these questions often. They can both all go through the Centurion mantlet with ease. Germany is being denied their AA roof mounted guns because "They would make no difference". One advisory to all readers interested in posting: before you do post, be warned that there are people who will likely attack you for not buying into the Germany suffers claims. It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44. In Panther? Getting ahead is stupidly hard. You can flank it and still fail to pen with many of the guns at this BR. Add the EBR 1954 Version in the Tech tree, add the French Tiger 1 'Bretagne', add the French stabilised gun variant of the AMX-10RC and AMX-30 in the main tech tree . However it does not. Maus at 7.0? Like this moments when the T95 suddenly reaches the cap point 10 seconds before the match ends. In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? I am a guy who plays all nation with Germany being my single most played nation. Are king tigers unplayable? There is big IF in virtually every of your arguments. You have to angleit correctly to make it work. He can just wait till you start to cap and go around you. In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? If your going to pull the hvars are the best thing out their it shows how little you know. I myself often wonder why German players don't just take out their CAS when playing against 5.7-7.7 brits for example, since most of the brit tanks at that level can be easily penned even by .50 cal weapons from the air. Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. for example to prove what i said u can see that with panther A br reduce to 5.7 germany teams improved a lot, because panthers have much better gun handling than tigers. do we not have a tank yet? Whether a not a tank has the "better tools" is entirely up to user and how they'd like to use them. There's also the issue of the T__ having 6 crew all very well spaced apart, so if by some miracle I get lucky enough to do damage the T__ will just reverse away at high speed and repair. Download Free PDF View PDF. Germany's problem,at least when it comes to ww2 vehicles, is lack of brawling vehicles past 5.7. Eh, the significance of this is overstated. Hard cover will always be superior to armor in WT. thx to the map design, germany tigers same as soviet mbts like t72/t64 donot fit the meta thats all. For Centurion Mk.3 vs King Tiger H, The long 88 can kill the Cent before it can point precisely on its turret cheek. I'm a regular war thunder player if you want to contact me= discord= TelDu3998we also have our own discord server https://dis. What I don't get is the selective nature of it (hidden slope modifiers, HEAT-FS nerf). Because they know that there will be most probably a trap when they arrive at the cap point. Better late then never, only took them 5 years to catch up. NO 4.3 FRENCH TANKS? Tried to flank with the Tortoise? Call me when it has the bombs and rockets just like the allies. Also the air tech tree actually is borderline OP too. And 5.7 tanks can pen American tanks. King Tigers are too slow and obvious to really bother with going for caps, and their armor isn't reliable enough to use as a spearhead for an attack. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. The blinding effect happens but its not as bad as your saying it is. Been consistent honestly. While the M18 can reverse much quicker, it also lurches about far more. Now the GER 6.7 lineup is missing a proper medium to counter some of the russian meds. I will keep the scope of this topic to relate to BRs 1.0 to 7.0 in RB, with the primary emphasis being on 4.X-5.X. No, it really isn't. While an M18s speed might allow it to get to a point a few moments before a Panther would, the M18s lack of armor and less capable cannon burden it if something like a Panther arrives shortly thereafter. This is a battle of patience and cunning. pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. I mean this thing has a chance to kill KT frontally by spamming around the turret ring and it can take out the gun barrel within 2-3 shots.When the M41 of a German player is destroyed, well you can go panther which is not the best when it comes to maneuvering, or perhaps a puma which can get shredded by .50 CAL. Or a Jagdtiger? germany 5.3-6.3 problem its the same as soviet mbts 8.7-10.3 problem. You have to constantly be aware of this. The allegation is that because the Germans Tigers and Panthers cannot keep pace with the Americans M18s, the Russians T-34-85s and other like vehicles that the Germans simply cannot compete with these vehicles or the teams that use them. German early jets are outperformed by pretty much by everything at their br. Come on, seriously? The stock ammo for them is useless! And it is this knowledge that will the panther driver often stop from advancing beyond certain points on the map, because he thinks: " There is probably a M18 on the enemy team and based on my experience and knowledge of the map I know that beyong this point there is a high chance that the M18 is somewhere on the edge of the map behind a hill and is waiting till I leave my cover. They've been in the game for years so to state that they've dropped off the face of the earth is anything but true. Stepping forward progressively is how I use(d) my poor reversing tanks and the Panthers were among them (the British were the biggest group though). King tiger turret is just a big flat sheet of 185mm armor. Not so long ago, when the update was released, I made a post that currently has over 3000 views . Thus, links were forged between the crime of public nuisance and the tort of private nuisance at an early stage in the development of the common law. You can skip APCR because it won't do much. He just needs to find the right way to flank you. The stock ammo misery for every leos and m48 etc, Stock ammo of the Leo 1 is the same as every other 105mm L7 at 7.7. Nah, Freeaboos bash on Germany when its day in Murica and Wheraboos say Deutschland suffers when its day in Yurop (although the Wheraboos are mostly on the Forums and not on Reddit so you don't see Wheraboo posts often) . The Challenger 2 is the third vehicle of this name, the first being the A30 Challenger, a World War II design using the Cromwell tank chassis with a 17-pounder gun. They are the equivalent to the surge of M22s that the allies occasionally see when some overly loud youtuber decides to make a video about "haha ebic meme tank"causing an influx. I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions.And BTW i also played all three major nations. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. For special purposes I still have my Ju-288 with its two SC1600 bombs. 5. Penetration analysis is bugged with AP and APDS. That's your personal preference. another thing that hurts germany 5.3-6.7 to much its the fact that GAIJIN thinks that low armor = low br, thx to this we have tank like m41 / pt76 / m50 / t92 / ru-251 etc., tanks that can deal w/o problem other tanks like t54 but in game they are figthing vs tiger 1. Slow speed handling of the Panther is also very bad, making it a bad brawler in CQC situations where you most likely would have to turn with the traverse to get on target in that tank. Allied CAS is absolutely by far and away superior, only the 37mm armed Bf-110G is superior to allied cas, it's actually really good. The rest including pz iv and pz 3 is pretty balanced in my opinion. Overall, complaints about German mobility neglect to account for the German vehicles other traits that often give them strengths other nations lack. Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. 4. 2. Pointing it down doesn't do anything as I've found. Hell no, you can still get kills if you have a decent team and play smart. It doesn't cover up that much of a hull you can shoot it reasonably well. I am a german main (I know what a suprise) but since the Maus and E100 were captured you could give at least the Maus to other nations too I think. You can use it, for the Tiger I lovers the way to go. Of course it does, but this is not the argument here. The T-72 is mediocre in forward mobility, and has a painful -4kph reverse. Yeah why wouldn't it? Sit in cover, spot an enemy in third person, pop out, shoot and repeat. Isn't it also truethat many of the people who play the american tree only play the US tree? The second was the Persian Gulf War era Challenger 1, which was the British army's main battle tank (MBT) from the early 1980s to the mid-1990s. First of all the amount of smoke the projectile generates when it strikes a target is ridiculous. Plus there are only few maps thatfavor this strategy. Justifications for War and Peace in the Scriptures of the Abrahamic Religions. While light vehicles can rush about in cities, they're balanced in the cities by the same hard cover they benefit from. There is no tech tree 6.7 medium tank now, what are you supposed to play if not a Tiger II? In real life, German cats had a more advanced system/concept known as regenerative steering, this is vastly more energy efficient and especially useful for these heavy late wartanks, and other tanks after the war. Interesting, unless you are talking about the driving comfort of the crew I thought we had a couple of long discussions on here where you said main gun bounciness compared to stabilized tanks like the Sherman series are negligible. Sidenote: chuckling at all the silly "confused" reactions haters are giving. As if the game and the race to the capture point ends the moment they get to it and then it just sits there waiting for the Panther to roll in. Are there plans to move overpowered vehicles (like Xp-50 or Su-11) to a more reasonable br rating? (Oh how many times I have shot the IS6 turret from 400m and all I did was turn the gunner yellow) Plus they have things like T44 which are very bouncy to the 88. The Tiger I is hard to play and inferior to the Panther! (Saint Nicholas Bible, CIVIC Worship The Good Book, & Queen Elizabeth II Bible are the same book with 3 different If an M18 is careening down a street and a Panther materializes at the end of it and takes a shotit's not going to be a good day for the M18. By and large, Germanys main strength is firepower with armor being the secondary asset. Besides, Panther II mounts the long 88 so T__ tanks still can and will bounce it with ease. Side turret of T__ is also twice as thick as king tiger so it's less vulnerable to flanking. For the record, I am always sporting a tank only line-up in ground battles, I just hate planes and helis in ground battles. It requires however quite some skill to shoot targets in RB from a far and you still lose if noone caps. Germany continues to suffer in War Thunder! While mobility has it's place, it's only one of the triad of armament, armor and mobility. Thats why you will often see lack of initiative and decisiveness on German teams. The ATGMs aren't common place but considering germany doesn't get SS.11s until 7.7 it does show the extreme technology advantage the brits have. 1. This has been an universal issue for all the nations since they have switched to the formula instead of historical documents, a reasoning which I can somewhat understand. Well suited for precision bombing, its 2 guaranteed kills. Oftentimes, if left unharnessed, the cannon birds have better potential to destroy multiple targets. That ammo should not be stock! While I played my Germans at 5.7, uptiers beyond 6.0 were very rare. The AR with no armor, lackluster speed, no guns, or perhaps the TA which can only do bomber hunting and perhaps a few light vehicles however with limited ammo and frail frame it will get eaten by .50 CAL You can check the loadout options, you either have to pick a fighter, bomber or an attacker, there are no multi task missile and bomb armed super props that can wreck havoc on the ground and then dominate the sky. Considering Im an experienced player who has done quite well in some Germany tanks that have been thoroughly derided, Id lean towards saying youre justwrong. at one point or another, with the severity of this problem varying widely. . But there almost no such maps in the game. The Tiger IIs' cannons do not bounce like M18s on trampolines, no matter how much people pretend that they do. Yes but this is should be fixed for once and for all. Hardly an advantage. Long 88 can one shot a T__ but in my experience you have to go for the shot trap, which is a risky shot. By Plus there are only few maps thatfavor this strategy. Ferdi is 7.0 and I did managed 17 kills a match. By Yeah, how is that even an argument? But the issue is most players have these vehicles they weren't exclusive or timed events. Usually it's the other way around, the M18 waits around for a target and looks around corners with the third person view camera. The only real difference between the 2 is the people playing them. True, I had the T-44 in mind when I made that post though. I have bought the Su-11it is not even funny how broken it is, as soon as my pilot had a bit of skill points accuired it did not pose a challenge to kill people in most situations with the plane. Its a fine argument, it fits into the"why would I drive over there to shoot them from 10 feet awaywhen I can sit here 1000+ meters away and kill them?" 6. While an M18s speed might allow it to get to a point a few moments before a Panther would, the M18s lack of armor and less capable cannon burden it if something like a Panther arrives shortly thereafter. Probably you should just Okha the last bomb into the target, cause rearming takes too long anyways. Has 3 crew and carousel, so it doesn't fit survivability meta and it's armor can be penned by 9.0 premiums. pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. The most obvious example of this is that a player can jump directly from the Panzer IIIs at 3.0 to the Tiger H1 at 5.3. As said above, aircraft carriers don't exist in arcade. You have the turret, lfp, and anywhere on the hull as long as you don't hit the tracks. June 1st, 2020 - panzer ii panzerkampfwagen ii pzkpfw ii sdkfz 121 was a light tank produced in germany in the 1930s until the outbreak of war between germany and the ussr tank . I'm also fine with the T30 at 6.7 since it has such a long reload, but the T34 really ought to be 7.0 just because of how ridiculous it is against 5.7s in a downtier. Allied CAS i superior. The m41 is a welcomed addition. By Join the Discord Here: https://discord.gg/cgctjTR5hjHope you all enjoy this video/short from an interesting moment in-game! Thats why you will often see lack of initiative and decisiveness on German teams. (If you can tell us, ofc I understand you might not be able to.) Germany has some of the best CAS, the best SPAA, the best light tanks, and just the best overall line up at 6.7 yet they are generally performing in the range or sometimes below that of worse nations at the same BR despite facing the same threats such as France, Italy, and Japan. If you check old war images of M4 tanks, you will see that not all of them had turret mounted .50cals. The basic problem with this grievance is that people figure they need to have a vehicle as fast as their enemies to win--you dont. I'll have to talk about CAS soon I suppose. You make it sound like the T series doesn't have to aim for weak points also. Contrary to popular belief there is more then one way to exploit this knowledge. A Do335 can do a lot of damage when left alone, but stands utterly no chance of outflying a P-47. Yes, with an M18 I am also eaily killed from the front due to lack of armor. You cant carry against so many players. It's just so effective and has a good size-able ammunition pool. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. And I've had 90mm HEAT non-pen on the tracks of a T34. Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. Especially when you get uptiered to 7.7. I like Wallonia, I hate Kursk. As the matter relates to teams' statuses and ticket bleed, the capture point's alignment once captured is ended from the moment it is captured until the moment that hold on it is broken or the game ends. Removing the Panther II made sense if the game was aiming for historical accuracy. If you don't. 1. ronica blake. The Me 410 B-6/R3 is considerably more competitive than people think. Threads 63 Messages 220. . I'll give you a half point for this one as I clearly said the M18 will head to your spawn after it caps, Well if it makes you feel better stranger things have happened. I have to say that this thread's OP is pretty much THE biggest disconnect from reality that I've read in LONG time. Nope, reversing back takes forever, turning as well and will expose your sides, running forward to flank doesn't work either. In that experience, I have found that. There is a great deal of difference in comparing the significance of gun handling of two medium tanks and that of a lightweight TD and a heavyweight medium tank. That jump is massive and not only deprives the player of the relevant experience they'd get in that 2.3 BRs of progression but also of the lineup for support they'd have if they had the stuff from the BRs in between, As with other nations, one death leavers are a problem for Germany. Originally posted by kamikazi21358: Originally posted by theGoddes: brits are nerfed into the ground. I invite others to list other claims of alleged German suffering so that those can be talked about. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Are there no third positions or one that is at least more pragmatic? Germany has access to the P-47 the same way the US has access to the 109 and 190. warrior412, February 10, 2020 in General & Upcoming. interactions? Pretty immune to 88's. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. A dreaded sight for aircraft and ground vehicles alike, the F-4F Phantom II provides a strong air superiority fighter and supremely potent ground attacker to German pilots. He just needs to find the right way to flank you. while proclaiming yourself in some sort of 'neutral good' position. Thread seems to highlight points some might see as a way to improve gameplay. Bouncing for when we are talking about the gun of Hellcat (especially the 90mm), Marder and Archer. Also, you're making it sound like the T__ has bad hull armor, which it absolutely doesn't. Hell even the FV4202 has a strong enough turret to confidently bounce long 75s and russian guns. I think that is what contributes in combination with what you mentioned for the low WR of Germans at the 5.7-6.7 BR range. Seems many new players fell to this trap. So in short up until br 6.7 theres nothing much. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. FRENCH ATGMS ARE NON-EXISTENT. Its not like I am proposing to ram the enemy. I haven't used mine for like 3 months. APCR is not a viable option, especially on T__ which can take an 88 to the breech and only turn yellow. He can easily continue flank and pen King Tigers from the side. lol Germany (especially around the BR you're playing at) has literally some of the most insanely OP lineups in the game - packed with tanks / SPAA / CAS spam vehicles with mostly low spawn costs. Now, lets address the imagined problems of Germany so that the real ones can be identified and addressed! He usually has like 5 different options. How is this true for any vehicles? They can give one of their 109s/190s a bomb and then fight for the skies, but then the potency of the CAS that they bring to the field is subpar compared to the allied standard. Internal mods of higher tier vehicles are more durable, sometimes not even the engine starts burning if you shot a shell into the back of an rank 4 enemy. Furthermore, using simple math, after 2 Minutes the number of places where the M18 could be is much bigger than the number of places where the Panther could be. He will retreat and find a way around you. Meanwhile, in the real world, while the Tiger II is waiting for its gun to steady to take a shot, the Centurion Mk3's stabilized gun lets it point precisely at the tiger's turret-face with swift ease. And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. 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