I think I know you. Yet numerous government officials told The Roys Report that the amount of rent a church charges a CC chapter has no bearing on whether the church is assessed any related property tax. Please note, that is based on my experience and discussions along with evaluating the trends I saw on campus. Like, apparently that guy cant even do a Google search our pastors need to be more sharp in a secular situation such as ours. Yes the material is garbage, but I transferred to a director who knew how to run the campus at least even with the learning material being what it was. I was asked to tutor Essentials because I had taught IEW materials and English at another co-op. I do believe a more accurate representation is 3 children per family in Foundations, 1.5 children per family in Essentials and 2 children per family in Challenge. We dont want tuition raised. Classical Conversations Is not my job. The CC cost for parents has four parts: tuition, registration, supplies, and facility. I was a teacher for 10 years at an elite private school and also in public school. of parents reported their teen's Christian faith was strong. TOTAL DIRECTOR income on Foundation and Essentials Students is estimated to be: Veale attempted to intervene, going above the support representative to the AR for Arizona who had taken over her position. (I pay for CC because I did free co ops for years. This displays both a total lack of empathy but also for basic justice. Meals were provided, children were picked up and dropped off, and we were flooded with calls, emails, and notes of encouragement from our leadership and friends. Classical Conversations #5: Classical Conversations #5: Leaders Threaten to Use Legal Force to Silence a Concerned Parent. Though property tax exemptions vary and are determined by state and sometimes county laws, she said assessors generally frown on a for-profit business, like CC and its communities, benefiting from use of tax-exempt property. When the number of blatantly blasphemous events (laws, court decisions, and so on) reaches its climax, the content citizenry will become discontent. An educational philosophy I believed in AND a roadmap to do it! My CC Community has been an integral part of our homeschool experience. An hour into the first information meeting I went to, I was blown away. (The percentage CC received varied due to discounts given families with multiple children enrolled.). To donate, click here. Still it made me sad. Even as a former educator, I needed curriculum assistance and overall support from a community. I truly miss the community of moms, the fellowship we had, and the early years in Foundations and Essentials. My kids flourished, recognizing the education they were receiving in a CC community was different than many of their peers. Ignore all problems and concerns for others as long as a religious system and institution is giving you personal profit? is insufficient, you must be a church body.. Thats what has churches worried, Topp said. CORPORATE GROSS INCOME: $20,067,500 92%. Which is why they are SOL in many ways. What he, Did God really say that homosexuality is a sin? In reporting a survey last year of CC directors, Bortins said that the number one issue reported by directors was the business training aspects of CC programs. After the 19-20 school year, I made up my mind to be done with CC unless the year was beautiful educationally because of CC. If it is not a good system, people will leave and find other option; in the meantime, build up and avoid tearing down people who are honestly trying to educate in the Christian youth. We have a mandate from the Lord to educate our kids, and every act of obedience is an act of worship.. The directors reported that they worked on CC programs for approximately 20 hours per week and made an average of $2,811 annual profit. Averaging out the number of communities, a total of $34,884 AVERAGE per community is generated in our churches for a CC year. I no longer woke up from the middle of the night in a panic that I was missing something or doing something wrong. . Tim Brown, senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Fremont in the San Francisco Bay area, said he first became aware of the issue in 2018. We needed accountability and a group. The money is not controlling this. I do ponder how Jesus would react. Just because a left-wing county government hostile to home schooling sends a church a tax bill doesnt mean the church owes any money. The Homeschool Convert 6.03K subscribers 160 We have homeschooled for 20 years. I am not biblical scholar and consider myself constantly learning, but I have felt this unease and felt led to share. The steady support, motivation to learn perpetually, and sweet fellowship is vital to me personally and to my family. . Most of these directors and similar are the suckers in the middle. Directors are licensees and receive a license to use our brand and copyrights to offer services and materials within the licensed CC programs. I am not asking anyone to change their mind. Well, that was a read. I dont see anything wrong in that. Based on reported enrollment of over 120,000 students in U.S. programs and detailed data provided by former CC contractors, annual revenues are estimated at between $15 million and $40 million. Challenging entire families to cultivate the art of wisdom through knowledge and understanding. Ive made enough money to cover my kids tuition but thats about it and thats what I expected when I signed up. About 25,000 Essentials students Today, CCs website has a Business Practices FAQ page that explains the for-profit nature of CC programs. (For the sake of privacy, we are not reporting the directors names with their income.). If you decide to do Classical Conversations be prepared to pay for tuition, supplies, books, CDs, maps, etc. CC doesnt even remotely sound like the type of hill any Christian church should be willing to die on. We are not a legal or accounting firm, therefore we do not give legal or accounting advice. Classical Conversations, Max Brand Audiobooks, Lucky Brand Bookmarks, News Magazines, New Yorker . you will be like God, knowing good and evil." And the final result? I directed for several years and my wife tutored Foundations for several years; we withdrew from CC a year ago. With insight from our Lord, check yourself.. Christian-based education offered through homeschool communities constitutes worship and supports the religious purpose associated with the use of church property., For reference: // Palmer sent emails to 10 churches in the Austin area on May 18, 2016, stating in part: Some churches are not aware that these CC homeschooling communities are for-profit businesses. Classical Conversations, Cease and Desist, Legal Threats, No Talk *** NOTE: This is part of a series that began with these earlier posts: Classical Conversations #1: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly Classical Conversations #2: What Led You to Join a Classical Conversations Homeschool Community? I am not asking you to agree with me at all. CC Inc has set up a program with a price point that is within the reach of enough homeschool families that they (CC) can maximize enrollment and, therefore, income (via licensing fees, book sales, and CCC subscriptions). These moms dont even have time to school their kids because theyre too busy running a business for CC. However, Palmer never signed a contract, and she still became a paid CC tutor for one year. The support of community enhances our ability to fulfill parental duties. 2023 Classical Conversations. Check with a lawyer. Their own wisdom. Soon, CC leaders urged her to lead state operations as an AR for Arizona. Find A Community View Programs Watch Video Watch Video When Directors ask the wrong questions, they get kicked out of groups and have their comments deleted. I participated in the program for a half year under one of the directors interviewed here. Having been in CC for 8 years, tutored 2, directed FE 3 going on 4 I think Ive been through the gamut of what CCs structure and business model holds. Big Ideas: Truth, Beauty, Goodness and more! Yet most CC programs meet in churches. He did not. I am not without experience or a newbie to the homeschool world, nor do I lack the giving of grace when I know were all a hot mess who need Jesus every second of our lives. My director and fellow parents are tutors are more than colleagues; theyre friends. // Browns failure to do a quick google search // Learn who we are and how we started. Not just two. Dispute: "Did God really say?" Deny: He didn't really say that. The education company also assumes what sounds like pastoral authority when conveying its policies to contractors. I am sure these same people will be reporting you for not wearing a mask. Is there any reason why Bortins statement that Some moms . Tuition Paid for Essentials Students: 25,000 x $335 = $8,375,000 Begin with American History After a lot of research and discussion, we decided it made sense to move to American history after that year with Bible Road Trip. CORPORATE INCOME FROM CAMPUSES: I believe there are two? Directors were not notified, they had to stumble upon the information on their own. In a statement to The Roys Report, CC said: Classical Conversations has supported more than 37,500 Licensed Directors over the past 22+ years. Education is the responsibility of the family, with support from fellow believers. For his part, Brown affirms how the education company made it right when his church faced a massive tax assessmenteven as he calls them to a higher standard. Furthermore, while Foundations/Essentials keeps the entire family on the same page, Challenge splinters the family in too many directions. Serving as a CC director since 2012, Annie Ferguson of Niceville, Florida, said she has made only $2,000 to $3,000 per year. About 24,500 Challenge students. Also, all I can find on CCs worth is that it is between 10 15 million not the over dramatized amount of $100 million. They do encourage that we use their bookstore, though a lot of parents just share or resell their materials to others. Brown affirms how the education company made it right when his church faced a massive tax assessment. You knew that this would cause me some tax problems . Theres nothing here to improve or change, so did you just want your pound of flesh? . She said that income a church receives unrelated to its tax-exempt purposeseven from a nonprofitcould cause issues. Over the years, dozens of former CC contractors have called out CCs alleged exploitative business practices, including on The Spiritual Sounding Board, Kristi Bothurs blog and JJ Veales blog. You've landed on the Classical Conversations member site that is dedicated to supporting our international members. In the interim, we have also succumbed to the attractive idea that man is the ultimate authority, autonomously knowing good and evil. And I dont say that with any sense of being disgruntled! We have fallen back on our own founding documents as the yardstick by which to measure right and wrong. I enjoy learning from those before me in their journey, encouraging those beside me, and sharing with those coming behind. I welcomed this article when it appeared this week. While our descent from biblical principle to human wisdom could take up volumes, suffice it to say that we have lost our founding principles. $1375 Tuition (split between corporate and director $160 each semester to corporate for a total of $320 to corporate and $1055 to director) , NOTE: this breakdown was provided to me, but as it is not first hand as I am not a 2019 director, there is always possibility for error in this amount) Homeschool Counselor. Im not getting income out of it. I feel confident teaching my children hard subjects! Her work at home deviated pretty far from doing just CC. Was she raising concerns in a state/county where the tax law didnt actually pose a threat? As owners, these directors are responsible for all aspects of the programhiring tutors, paying applicable taxes, collecting tuition, and doing all the accounting. I have had an uneasy feeling past couple of years with their practices. We have lost our basis for Truth. All rights reserved. The article documents specific CC statements that are blatantly false, to quote Pastor Tim Brown. CC is doing the same thing, but it's less likely to be spotted due to the fact that they portray themselves as a ministry, "just a group of homeschool moms," along with the fact that often educational institutes are non-profit, so we just assume that's the case. The Prophets also expressed the same concerns to previous generations. Satan tried it first1. Its not about the money, which is not very much after you pay licensing fees to CC.. // Apparently to mitigate liabilities, chapters *can* and have been at times converted to non-profit chapters to avoid the tax risk why is that not a viable solution? 89%. Our biblical foundation has already been discarded, and the sooner we recognize that our Constitution is now in the crosshairs, the more ready we will be for this next battle. If they have to be for-profit, and flexibly non-profit, in order to best support this subversive act more power to em). Thanks for all your work. After all, the latter was built on the former. He and his wife live in the Washington, D.C. area with their two children. AVERAGE DIRECTOR / TUTOR GROSS INCOME (19,000 tutors and directors): $3,533.82 Since our inception in 1997, Classical Conversations has used this timeless set of beliefs to guide how we interact with families and support learning in homeschool community. Exactly, its amazing judging by the posts on this article how easily the church rolls over for Caesar. The tax issues and whether to set up as a sole proprietorship or what not, I was left to figure out on my own.. I could focus on enjoying learning alongside my children! When Elane Photography in Albuquerque refuses to photograph a gay dedication ceremony, thereby exercising their religion, they should be forced to photograph these events in the future or face jail time. Very manipulative and one-sided article, but not unexpected given the hostile nature of people and the axe they chose to grind. In each state, SRs report up to statewide or regional area representatives (ARs). . Give a gift of any amount to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive "In the House of Friends: Understanding and Healing from Spiritual Abuse in Christian Churches" by Kenneth Garrett. Ive directed F/E seven years and been in CC 9 years. To keep tuition down, CC needs cheap labor (Directors and tutors). I am thankful for the encouragement, the mentorship, the accountability, and the curriculum support. Except in a few states where the laws are different, CC relies on churches (and Directors, SRs, and ARs) being in the dark about how hosting a business could impact their property tax exemption so they will host CC for minimal fees. Topp remains skeptical that CC will reform business practices: Theyre doing quite well financially, so why would they change?, Similarly, Palmer expressed doubts that CC will change its policies. Again, all my opinions and my calculations are indeed based on very limited data posted by CC on their site and are certainly subject to inaccuracy because of that limit though I did my best to try and most accurately represent what I believe to be good assumptions and calculations. The issues are are the concerns brought up valid? And is the fact that someone in that system being reported on is being taken advantage of a real concern or not to the commenter? In the meantime, I find this article to be very manipulative and no better than the way the media spins other stories about Christianity. However, I do not miss the stress my children were placed under, nor the stress I saw on the faces of friends who were trying to recruit and meet goals when all they wanted to do was teach. Two CC directors who spoke with The Roys Report said they believed that when a church charges their chapters zero rent, their weekly CC community meetings have no impact on the churchs property tax exemption. Please, I beg you, do something to stop this.. What do we fall back on to guide us through life? Bortins claimed his webinar statement as factual because the churches were not financially responsible for that amount, he said. They are a publishing company. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. As a longtime homeschooler, you can find 350 Classically-centered curricula on the market. Every bit of it and more. May I suggest . Classical Conversations Acts and Facts United States Presidents Cards . She took in thousands of dollars in registration and tuition fees from parentsa hefty percentage going to CC corporatebut her income was nearly nothing. The encouragement and support from other parents is vital. The knowledge that my hard work in laboring to direct and tutor is not lining Robert Bortins pocket book is just an icing on the cake. AVERAGE INCOME PER LOCATION: $34,884.00, CORPORATE income on Foundation students Application fees is estimated to be $6,290,000. In 2019, Bothur resigned as local director. Critics say thats because the company fuses spiritual language into its business dealings with contractors, creating a culture of religious obligation. I left a similar comment to this one on another story here. Classical Learning Cohort October Flash Sale 2022 Morning Time Bundles Hot Items! Foundations: If its one meeting a week, thats peanuts. Veale added that statewide ARs receive a smaller cut of registration fees in addition to revenue from twice-annual practicum events designed to grow the CC network and sell curriculum. Great! In 2013, Jamie Buckland of Beckley, West Virginia, became a CC director to homeschool her four children and to help other homeschool moms. Buckland accuses CC of being deceptive and preying on unsuspecting homeschool moms. A prominent Anglican bishop hasannounced a leave of absenceafter admitting he mishandled allegations of abuse. It is promoted by its creators as "highbrow" and "high-IQ", "non-religious" and "devoid of an explicit fundamentalist Christian worldview." Classical Conversations students learn Classical Greek in order to study pagan philosophers. She had hired a homeschool girl to serve and clean up, while this ladys daughter was at her expensive private school. There can be no doubt that our country was founded on biblical principles. The recipe is tried, tested, and successful. The amounts for the directors and the years reported are tabulated in the chart below. You and your child benefit from the type of comprehensive, Christian education that creates a lifelong love of learning. Dispute, deny, distort. All rights reserved. non profit communities in the US, both in California, and then Washington state has a dummy non-profit available that all the communities work can join. Classical Conversations licenses a product to its customers. Blanket an area with threatening letters, knowing that some of those threatened will shrink back. Why doesnt this article compare corporate CC to any other publishing company, nor disclose anything but a high number of corporate income for shock value, ignoring any expenses or employee salaries in their company? The specific group targeting CC in this situation is hard to pin down but the tactics are similar to other groups who dislike classical education. Hence, we are now disputing, denying, distorting, and finally discarding our own founding documents. Theres a lot going on behind the scenes here, but I had to do what was best for my kids and got out. Though property tax exemptions vary and are determined by state and sometimes county laws. So I am still left to wonder why anyone would mail letters to every church specifically hosting a CC across the country making a blanket statement that had absolutely no bearing because the author of these letters, as well as the information above these determinations can only be made on local county and state levelsnot by one person deciding it all for everyone If I did, I never got through all the review I was required to do. Some of these things are required, some are not. They also rely on how they know community becomes something families feel they cannot homeschool without, which increases the feeling of Directors being compensated without costing CC Inc financially, because they are really doing it for their kids. Our Christ-centered homeschool curriculum is rooted in the classical model and is in tune with the way children naturally learn. Classical Conversations Inc. (CC), a leading homeschool education company, is knowingly exposing unsuspecting churches that host its programs to major tax liabilities. . It relies on, and takes advantage of, workers and churches to be naive and unconcerned about what and how they are being compensated while making sure they get as much as they can get. If so, what indicators might we see of this loss? Hola, Necesita una cotizacin? They express zero empathy for anyone other than themselves and their immediate friends and family. Thats insulting and ignorant. Weve only been in and out of CC for maybe the last 6-7 years, however, Ive homeschooled for 23 years, graduated my two oldest years ago (not using CC) and have three left at home who are all at the Challenge level. One commenter on here who is defending CC insinuates that those critical of CC were let go or kicked out. of graduates plan to attend college. These whistleblowers reveal a multi-level marketing scheme that they say exploits homeschooling parentswho, seemingly by design, rarely benefit from their front-line work of overseeing the CC education model and recruiting other families to the network. Now, Ive homeschooled two children through high school. After all, religious freedom really only applies in the church building, not in the public square. The moms dont have outside jobs for the most part and so are open to earning money doing what they love teaching their own and others kids. That confirms even more that this is a pyramid scheme, which as you know it is better to be at the very top or at the very bottom of it if you are caught up in one. It also dictates the way each group must be run. CC has other ways of making money via the registration fees, licensing fees, the proprietary curricula, etc. I always knew that at best it would cover the costs of my own kids being in the program, and at worst Id be a little under water. . Satan tried it first1. Believing it would be promoted to all directors, Topp agreed and delivered the content in early 2018. I was blindsided by the fact that they werent a 501(c)(3) . Our CC family is so much more than a group of fellow homeschoolers. The county then back assessed the church for the previous two years, bringing the total to $85,000, Brown saida fact verified in documents obtained by The Roys Report. They communicate a clear and very selfish pragmatism, this is working for me so why is anyone else having a problem with it? They shoot the messenger as if Julie or whomever wrote up the story is evil and THE problem, because in their own eyes they are. Hence, we are now disputing, denying, distorting, and finally discarding our own founding documents. . // I found your article to be rank with smear primarily motivated by some kind of ideological stance. Finding a director in most places around me is like trapping a unicorn. Like I said, there are things they do and policies they have I dont agree with, but if anyone has been in a church long enough you learn things about your church you dont agree with either. Unfortunately, yes. CC meets a need for so many who are just getting started or need some structure. Her third year was horrible. Once my children began moving into the Challenge classes, our enjoyment disappeared. The portion of a property used by a for-profit organization at a church will jeopardize the churchs exemption on that portion, whether or not the church allows use of the property with or without a fee, Wing writes. Domestic members, please click the link below to access your CC Connected account! CC is the Bortins family business and they dont want to offer control to a non-profit board. Of that, CC received 100% of registration fees ($55 to $145 per student for younger students) as its licensing dues, and 12% of tuition fees collected for each 7th- to 12th-grade student per semester. I suspect this is way they can dodge all kinds of financial and legal responsibilities.. Ironically, 501(c)(3) is not needed by churches to maintain tax free status, because all churches are tax free and can not be prohibited or abridged by the government or their agencies. Hence, we can legalize abortion, because right to life, When Elane Photography in Albuquerque refuses to photograph a gay dedication ceremony, thereby exercising their religion, they should be forced to photograph these events in the future or face jail time. 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