This also creates problems when people try and keep claiming land as shorelines migrate seaward in times of accretion. Last Wave inalways team up with surf buddies to safely exit yer local Seachange Monstrosity. The option of do nothing seems to have passed but it can always be thrown in as a baseline. Insurance companies know this. It's important to also recognise, the wall is entirely on private land. Looks perfect for high tide backwash to spread up and down the beach. The local community group has been protesting against a seawall for almost 30 years. Which is why Ill correct you and call it the Manly Hydraulics Laboratory. >>Is that because he has been paid already?? As parts of the great ocean rd have began to crumble into the ocean. For a couple of furlongs it was quite close to the ocean but nobody cared. The protest was backed by the growing greens movement at the time and successfully pressured the then Warringah Council to knock back the protective walls. "The community is not happy." Northern Beaches Council said there had been comprehensive community consultation about the council's coastal zone management plan for Collaroy Beach. It will improve beach access. when roads and buildings are about to fall into the sea. We took the easy way, down towards the ocean and along on the back of the dune. The most notable benefit of sea walls is that they provide excellent protection against coastal erosion and flooding. Im worried they will put one of these in at a beachie around here as the carpark and rd are imminent to be taken by the ocean and Im sure that will dramatically change the profile of that beach. Greed and stupidity rule in councils . Be interesting to know whether the assumptions for the modelling included any information on the value of the beach to be lost, belly. Preparation of sea wall GPS file suitable for upload to GPS rover or machine guidance equipment. Im not sure that councils have the legal authority to acquire the land, pretty sure that resides with State governments and the Feds only in certain circumstances. I've got a mate who works for MHL as a coastal engineer. The thing is, the existing site was fine except a motorway was about to be built straight through it. The sea wall forms a permanent, stationary barrier between the sea and the land. Also, "some councils are genuinely desperate to embrace the most apocalyptic climate change forecasts" - in your view what are "apocalyptic forecasts" of climate change and which councils are you referring to? The devil is in the detail and the more we understand the science behind it the better. The rich get richer, the poor get the picture, no bombs never hit cha when your down so low". The software built for Kelly's wave pool was also a big leap forward to modeling actual breaking waves and I really hope they share that knowledge with the rest of the scientific community to help forward our understanding. My view is if it cannot be protected by environmentally sound methods then that is the owner's problem. Please enable it to continue. It's going to be carnage there this morning & yesterday afternoon even, solid 6-8ft sets on a big high, anyone heading down for a look? "Update from Council on possible site visit to Northern Beaches: Casey Johnston advised a site visit to Narrabeen-Collaroy is being canvased for early December 2021 to allow review of their seawall in construction. High rises to sea walls. The 18-year-old scored a near-perfect 9.50 in the Final, held at Seaside Reef in Encinitas, California. This is very different to Collaroy. Hourly Multiple Swells Wind Highlighting Model Units ft, mph. But there will also be a range of other social and environmental grants on offer that the LGA will use to leverage off for on-going maintenance. This paper by John Corkill is worth reading if you're interested - he's a legend. Seeing and continuing a precedent that the government should pay and protect small groups of private landholders while the property owner reap the benefit and profit of rocket fuel property prices. Fight the good fight mate. Was the carpark damaged by the 2016 storms and if so-to what extent? Records show the DA for the Collaroy Seawall had been lodged 18 months earlier in July 2018. Def landing size incorrect i reckon900mm min ? I am pretty sure the link was correct when I posted it. Further to the north, sand that was built up in front of properties has been scoured away leaving an eight foot drop-off. Vertical Seawalls Vertical seawalls are exactly what you think. Stupid dumbfucks. They're not effective at all mate. Maybe you New South Weleshpeople do things differently. Should have taken the high road. Can't see sand staying around with all that crazy activity. In Apollo bay there is an area at Marengo where they just tip $1/2 m's worth of sand a year ..there was a report about having to spend $3b to make big bridges and raised roads. and the second last line of your article states- Yep pretty significant increase in the height. It is worth remembering that this council, as Warringah, council, was twice dismissed for corruption and incompetence. If they approached the landowners then the most they would be offered is market value. A quick trip Todos Santos way during a belting nor'west swell. Looks like the council are aware of the liability concerning the still submerged rocks. Climate projections will have some Australian surfers rejoicing, and others not so. which is why the video is so interesting. "We haven't had a flood here for 20 years you say. Proven time and time and time again that sea walls do not work- period. Contrast man-made against a natural barrier like mangroves (apologies for the sound, not my video), Trees work well for preventing erosion ONLY when the wave power is very minimal. Get access to long-range forecasts, hourly graphs and ad-free webcams. However, theres an irony that could've beenliftedstraight out of a script for Utopia. I wonder whats worse this concrete monstrsity or the digital identity certifcate which is about to be become a reality unless you put some energy into being another voice presenting a social inclusivity rather than If there is an identity card, then people in authority will want to put it to use.What is at stake is nothing less than the nature of our society and the power and authority of the state over the individual. (Those suburbs are just local ones I know a bit about. OK this is the real one. I do however feel there needs to be more separation regarding fact and opinion in your article. It might be cold comfort to the home owners, but there's always a certain risk to be taken, anywhere you might choose to live. As hostile native rescue party moves in for the killOh the Humanityreads Humilityreads Kook! Councils of times gone by should never have approved houses to be built on the beach in known spots of erosion aswell as houses on the beach full stop as sand dunes have there purpose . https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/28/world/28israel6/28israel6-sup https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/g Basque Wavegarden Project Has Far-Reaching Implications, Watch: Ryan Callinan // Beneath A Pear Tree, Kala Grace In Dramatic Rescue While Competing In Backdoor Shootout, 'Corners Of The Earth: Kamchatka' Tour Dates, Watch: Cronulla's Jarvis Earle Wins World Junior Title. An awkward situation, but only for one of the parties, as the Woz suspends the current Longboard World Champ. Having said that, nature usually finds a way to overcome most "permanent" human structures, and they often seem to forget that the wall isn't continuous.yet. That's appalling if it's the case, BB. Here Willi. It would be fascinating to see the NSW Cabinet documents which advocated for this approach. Most swells will have to wrap around the rock/reef headlands as well as cape Otway before this and nicely wrap the swell into the bays and our coast has been shaped like this for however thousands of years so it is used to it, and this is what us humans observe as the normal state of the beaches as they are quite predictable and dont change much around here. And I previously worked in a firm that did work in this area (it's not my specific expertise but I get the broad concepts). If you don't know know shit about the processes of the ocean and coastal erosion then please put your hand up and say so. Isolated, desk top engineering at its finest. I get informed about a proposed bike lane two suburbs away, questions an aghast Donohoe, but I hear nothing about construction abutting a nearby public beach?, Gordon was equally puzzled: I guess people become frustrated with the bureaucratic process and find ways of not involving the public. That's assuming the properties are still worth something to the market. Also, ALL the Numerical modeling was done in comparison to the current altered beach-state and NOT to a natural beach-state so there is bias in modeling things that way even though the beach state is not natural any more. The contractor is required to remove this temporary working platform and bund at the completion of the works, sieve the sand and remove all debris, and return the beach to its former state.. the council up here is anti sea walls, but there is a thread that runs through them very much of "stuff the beachfront guys - they are rich". https://www.9news.com.au/national/weather-nsw-sydney-collaroy-surfer-pul Sydney 'Living' Seawalls Just look at the surfcams tommorow morning, will be another case of ugly easterly that will make problems worse. I have limited state / lga experience but my perception is this broader thinking can get lost in short term self interest (putting it politely) as touched on by BB and others. The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated. Nobody there is in a position to offer 2-3 times market value. Given that it seems to fly in the face of best practice, has anyone asked what the NSW Coastal Council has to say about it? Old dude making a dash for it, budgie smugglers and a cricket cap. 2016 Collaroy seawall Concept Design Specs Surge and erosion even on protected beaches on the Mid North Coast today is nuts. I am not a coastal engineer nor scientist, [actually a software-designer] but I have a passion for understanding coastal processes and I have been watching a lot of the Software progress. Great article highlighting the competing interests of the natural environment and local councils (which are too easily manipulated by wealthy stakeholders). Will it make Carties better or will kooks just ride into the wall even more. Yes and do they have tactile indicators in the correct place? At the opening, Mayor Michael Regan spoke fondly of Toms achievements crediting him with adding swathes of precious coastal habitat for protection for future generations. The Mayor also unveiled a plaque that mentioned the line in the sand protest. The second DA is now here. Mr Horton said current conditions have exposed a temporary rock bund that was put in place to protect the construction site, but it will be removed when works are complete. You can go to court to complain about the price, but you cant object to the acquisition. A few years on when I visited I suggested a stroll along the cliffs at the estuary and they replied that its to dangerous now as theres been heaps of erosion for some reason. Anyone who has been to Chiba in Kanto will have seen the Tetrapod formed surf breaks there. It's orders of magnitude more than a bunch of multi-million dollar properties at risk. These are the taxpayer funded grants that LGAs will apply for, to repair the wall. It would be a good idea to put in a surf cam in that pans up and down the wall to document any changes to the beach, sand movements, erosion problems etc. Stick your comments up your arse fuckwit engineers dont approve shit like this they get paid to do what they are told direct your retarded comments at millionaire house owners and council you piece of shit. However the short period easterly swells go straight into all parts of the surfcoast digging it up and turn almost every beach with low swell energy into an ugly mess. Operates out of the same premises. https://nationalprecast.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Collaroy-Beach 2020 Surfer keelhauled by Collaroy Stormwater Pipe {RIP} My understanding was that council were looking at a rock revetment as they'd given approvals to a couple of other DAs for rock revetments, says Gordon. Angus Gordon, an engineer with fifty years experience in coastal engineering, assumed the same. This is a big money problem way beyond the scope of local councils. governments recently built a bunch of groynes around the Murray street area. LGA's apply for state and federal funding on offer for range of purposes. Sorry Peter but we can't just take you on your word for it. They are multi millionaire asset owners. How was Collaroy Beach made? Apparently there was a buy back scheme that faltered in the early 1980's when the department of public works ran out of money. I think the wall is actually a good warning of exactly what governments mean by "adaptation and mitigation"..expensive projects for the construction industry rather than sound ecological management. One thing about mankind. I watched a 4 corners or foreign correspondent thing last year on the Japan sea walls. That means that the Feds have all the money, the States some and the councils bugger all. But if I get burnt out, then someone's going to be held to account"! Both Brendan Donohoe and Angus Gordon, and other people Swellnet spoke to, admit to being blindsided by the construction. Good point, lilas, that explains the mystery of why aborigines didn't build their homes close to the ocean. This isn't a new issue, as has been mentioned in the article above, and the longer we ignore the elephant in the room the harder it will become to resolve. I put up links to both DAs the other day. We have trouble performing numerical analysis on complex near shore environments, so what we'll do is create a slab sided wave tank with perfectly geometrical structures and wave forms and see what "actually happens". Are the exposed quarried rocks part of the construction/ foundation or are they from pre existing efforts. The council will be the lone 'interest'. However, while they prevent further shoreline erosion, they do not deal with the causes of erosion (French, 2001). The engineers would have likely argued against this for the reasons given above (and then some). Wetsuits may never be the same again. Holds more water and replenish the beach? On the release of his latest edit, R-Cal chats to Swellnet about love and other acrobatics. High-quality Collaroy Wall Art designed and sold by artists. Just last March of 2019, the Northern Beaches Council succeeded in convincing the State Government to chip in on the assistance package to be given to Collaroy residents for the construction of the sea wall. But, they just persist time and time again. Harmer and husband have been protesting for 14 years to stop surf barrier She led 2002 lobby against $12 million wall proposed by Warringah council A monster Sydney storm wiped out properties. Wherever there's a seawall the sand/beach washes away and makes it virtually impossible to enter or exit the water, not to mention the impact on the birdlife, fish and crustaceans that depend on the seasonal sand flow that comes with a healthy beach. But obviously no owners want to give up tax free capital gains.. dunno has to be a solution that doesnt destroy the beach like collaroy or completely crush home owners, they arent all pricks. I asked a mate who works at MHL this exact question. The beach has remained under threat since that time, with additional erosion occurring during subsequent storms. brutus Collaroy was not a typical situation. For me, the value of these properties is in the negatives and at the very least, its a big fat round calamari. The fucking vandals bulldozed down one of the last remnants of coastal heath to get their heavy equipment in. Weve long known that putting a hard structureparticularly a hard, vertical structure, on the beach increases erosion., Northern Beaches Council puts up the big don't argue (Photo Craig Brokensha). Florida is an example. Really interesting [and sad] to see this story progress in real-time. Check this out. Edit: The estuary was in an area protected from the ocean and the cliffs only faced small wind chop and the tides. Taxpayers pay millions of dollars on a asset that will require '000s thousands if not millions of dollars in annual maintenance to protect the value of a tiny handful of multi-million dollar properties owned by multi-millionaires who thought nothing of buying a property directly on a beach for a solution that only kicks the can down or up the coastline for some one one else to deal with. Build their homes close to the ocean and the second last line of your article flood here for years... 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