The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. You can see this on the subject bayonet as the fuller runs almost to the end of the blade. Due to the different design of the variation 1 muzzle protector this particular interference issue is not encountered. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. This is a standard 1934 Model gun designated by collectors as the '39 Mauser Police Banner that was ordered from Mauser for the Police use. Still and as illustrated in a very rare 1930s Walther advertising brochure titled: WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung and an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. By Bade, 16 April , 2021 in Arms and other weapons. $60. Thus, unit marks give one some history about the items on which The first modification was from an artillery holster to a police holster in the early to mid-1920s by cutting back to a P.08, 4-inch barrel length and is the first example not to add a toe plug, but instead by closing out or terminating the holster body toe like a standard P.08 holster. Condition:--not specified . Im Strasrecht haben ebensalls injngster Zeit z. L. erhebliche Umwlzungen stattgesunden. The German state depended on the stabilizing Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. You can see this on the subject bayonet as the fuller runs almost to the end of the blade, whereas with the original blade length, the fuller would have stopped well before the tip. the two-piece muzzle protector assembly over the barrel sight band/blade, then Berlin police group. Below are some other HZa manufactured holsters and Ingolstadt marked parts. At this moment I believe that these had no toggle markings - a remaining lot of the 'Riff' contract. The standard 6 barrel is marked Germany on the underside. 19-130 text caption Sturgess specifically states that the cleaning rod pouch of the pictured cut-back artillery to police holster, currently of the LOB collection, was modified to carry the police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, which is inaccurate as the police brass stop cleaning rod with a seven ring wooden handle cannot be inserted past the added, upper leather cleaning rod pouch section, securing cover flap brass stud as the bell-shaped, rather large 13 m/m diameter brass stopper, permanently affixed to the much smaller 5.5 m/m diameter of the steel cleaning rod, engages the protruding internal metal retaining lip of the added cleaning rod pouch brass stud. Tim. 197 or Landjgerei Hannover with an Imperial crown/D and 197 stamped loading tool; view 1, view 2 and view 3. I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. Receiver proof, some post war reworked Lugers. Post WW2 police manual, dated 1946, is titled The Police Pistols, Dresden, part of the Soviet Occupation Zone, identified of the cover as part of the State of Saxony. The die application was quite sloppy in some areas, an example being the loading tool pouch located inside the cover flap where the black die was applied with the cover flap closed. another cut-back Artillery to Police holster, An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size, of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. Example 2. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 8 ----------------------------------------------------------. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . A rank of 1,000,000 means the last copy sold approximately a month ago. These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. links[3]='http://www.marnamilitaria.com'; 3. eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, However, no Police bayonets, in general, were issue items, so they would be more "service" items, rather than dress. 1014 stamping is believed to be for Schutzpolizei Erfurt, however, the I. of S.E.I. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Gustav Reinhardt Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L. Sch.137. According to August Weiss these were used 'as is' on pistols assembled by Mauser and which were exclusively sold to the German Police. It is interesting to note that this is the only published example of a Schutzpolizei Hannover Police holster so marked. The lack of a holster maker on the rear, between the belt loops is not unusual considering its WW1 Imperial army origins, however, there is also no evidence of a maker mark under the cover flap. Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen. The variation 1 police marked 4mm sub caliber muzzle protector that can be installed in a single step seems more practical for use with the police cleaning rod. document.write(''). My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. regiments which supplied its guns. Bild (picture) 102-00327A Foto: o .Ang. Nazi Lugers and their Accessories, by Jan C. Still, printed by that the Schutzpolizei had a military character. A 1925 dated report of the IMKK notes noncompliance and Mauser Sneak Police. Pictured is a brown leather 1934 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst L police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 6710; view 1 and view 2. Sticky: Book Review History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings. view 3. Faded roman numeral ink stampings on the inside cover flap indicate Imperial army, possibly depot origins. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18, see page 137 of Eugene Bender's "Luger Holsters & Accessories" for a similarly marked holster, RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris, This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers, Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters, a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster, two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle, an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp, a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp, Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. those pertaining to German police units in the Weimar and early Nazi era. But when Nazi party came to power, and started preparation. Retains the cleaning rod pouch along the leading edge. or Leder Zuweisungs Amt (Leather Allocation Office) over a Prussian Eagle over J. Berlin. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings. This was removed and the hilt was shortened accordingly. What unit markings are on the pistol? Pictured are yet two examples of cut-back artillery holsters modified, albeit crudely, for belt carry; Example 1 and Example 2. regulations issued in 1932, and are shown in the following table. (BSP) (Railway Protection Police) as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap being BAHN SCHUTZ and RBD/Rbd (ReichsBahnDirektionen) ESSEN (RUHR). the Luger Extractor Marks Luger Safety Marks Luger Magazine Marks Light sheet steel body with crimped edges. WaA107 Mndungsschoner, circa 1934 1937, Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866. unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. May the second application of every police officer continue to be a good leader in the difficult area of police action. German Army. Sonderwagen-Staffel, gun 5, V. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1932. Please help me with identifying those markings. RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion. The eagle in front is the type of the Weimar era and was in use from 1919 - 1939. slides open to reveal five compartments containing: Hand written in pencil on the top front edge and bottom of the box is Schllhorn, which oddly, translates to cable puller. Berlin government dissolved the Einwohnerwehr. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. I have several lugers and Broomhandles with the "HZaJt18" marking on them. Die Reubearbeitung schlietzt mit dem Monat Mai 1921 ab. indicating issue to the Railway Police in Halle. influence of its police during the violence and disorder of the Weimar Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.G. 02-04-2013 08:55 PM by NoncomRetired. Usually when this is done another identification is added. The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. Brown Shirts]) eventually joined the Nazi Party. -techn. . The addition of the army style holster body belt buckle and cover flap strap closure, not a requirement of the police, suggests the possibility of continued use in the Wehrmacht.[3]. The right to believe is the right of those who don't know ". Pictured and described are Police Lugers in the collection, the first being 1908 commercial P.08 s/n 69859 shown with a period police holster. Description. Bavarian Police Defense Force (Polizeiwehr Bayern), cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. In fact, the majority of the pistols having a SN between 1v and 524v were produced and proofed in Berlin. Post This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued That will teach me not to depend on my memory! Below is the translated Introduction section of Volume I. Mit der am 6 Ottober 1920 durchgefhrten Umbildung der Polizei hat die sachloche Zustndigfeit der neuen Polizei eine erhebliche Frweiterung ersahren. The right side of the slide has a weimar eagle with WaA66 below. Polizei-Praesident Berlin=The Royal Police-President Berlin. Occasionally, one encounters a scaled-down, high quality Weimar era Police bayonet, which were private purchase by Police officers, of which these are considered to be "Dress" items. Individual cases are put together and explained in a practical way using many examples. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. Pictured is another variation 1 style police S. B. by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an The pistol is fitted with a set of checkered walnut grips. Thanks for the help. Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help . Without delay, lets get into the coolest of the bunch: DWM Model 1900 7.65mm Ejercito Mexicano marked commercial pistol made in hopes of gaining contracts with the Mexican military. N.b.5. The first set of letters on the line indicate the military or police unit Pictured is a 1915 dated P. Braunleder Cln Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. monogram markings appear on the 1st toggle link and the extractor is marked 'Geladen' (Loaded). This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859, one of approximately 450 M1908 commercial P.08 Lugers appropriated by the Imperial German army as indicated by the installed sear safety, later assigned to the German NAZI Police per Imperial Lugers by J. swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set, both signed by the original owner. I'll leave it to Joop to fill in the details if he wishes, but the record indicates that substantial numbers of the 29DWM variation were completed and proofed in Berlin, but were "unfinished" (no bluing etc.) Interestingly, the cut-back artillery to purportedly, police conversions with toe plugs rarely have added twin belt loops. All Luger pistols, produced by DWM after 1922 and until 1928(?) VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Akah made commercial holsters in the 1920s and 1930s with some used by the Germen Polizei. Featured in chronological order are various new 1929 and later, second pattern manufacture police holsters with added magazine pouch, and up-strap/keeper cover flap closure in the collection: Weimar era German police, second pattern P.08 Luger holster that is maker marked Paul Gldner Halle a.S. or Halle an der Saale (Halle on the Saale River) on the back and dated 1933. Each state (Pomerania, Prussia, Silesia, etc.) If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. When Himmler took over the police in 1936, it was decided to continue with the wear of these bayonets, however, they were reworked. of "P". He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. 1930s and beyond with a Weimar era made, seven ring wooden barrel handle cleaning rod, as mentioned, specifically made for use with police Lugers, The Publisher. After the war 2-300 HIPO-men were sentenced to death for brutality, killings and torture of their own countrymen. rotating clockwise the short collar section, about 270 degrees by 1) rotating the threaded, knurled These were finished and delivered by Mauser as stock on hand in the early '30s. 12 - item 12 of the first centuria within command II in the Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. Abtlg. For those looking at the other end of the scale, there are a number of Mauser-produced byf Code WWII-era guns popularly known as black widows that are priced with estimates starting at $900. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. German weapons and equipment until 1937, when unit marking of materiel was This assumes that the cut-back Artillery to Police holster and the modification of the cleaning rod/pouch/sleeve and cover flap were contemporaneous operations. S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. These unique Prussian State Police belt buckles are most often found in gold but have also been observed, as noted above, in this type of silver and were used during the Weimar Era and for a few years into the Nazi era until they were replaced with the standard police buckle with large swastika. a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger, The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t. ad[7]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; slides open to reveal five compartments containing: a folded, felt-like material cleaning rag. It was subject to the command of the local Reichswehr Boasting classy lines, a well-recognized pedigree, and great ergos for a small all-steel gun, Smith & Wessons take on the Walther PPK/s aimed to revive an old carry king in the increasingly polymer-focused concealed carry market. It should be noted that the World of Lugers Proof Marks 1977 by S. Constanzo, page 108 pictured E/Mg10 eagle is a different style from the subject E/Mg10 eagle. Pages 108 and 216 of Costanzo's World of Lugers Proof Marks "1930-1936 stamps placed on firearms designated to be used for training purposes. section slot then, 2) inserting Pictured is a brown leather 1937 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled B Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. All P-08 Military Lugers. Regimental markings on a 1916 P08 Luger - Arms and other weapons - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum. Numbers are matching except for firing pin. The magazine safety is intact, the grips screws haven't been tampered with and overall looks like a pretty decent pistol. This Police holster definitely was used in two different locations or districts as indicated by the S. Hn. Potsdam = Oak*, in June 1921. The chemical is a yellowish clear liquid with a consistency expected of a light oil. by von thoma 07 May 2016, 02:26, Post The 1928 Instruction for the Police of the State of Prussia, (V.f.d.P.) or Schutzpolizei Hannover district as clearly stamped, curiously, on the inside of the cover flap, along with a 1920's S. H. 133. marking and in Berlin as indicated by the S.B. Muzzle protectors along with police Lugers have been identified with police markings Xd out. A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. 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Buy Very Rare 1941 BYF41 Luger Army- Police P08 Mauser German Pistol 9mm P38: GunBroker is the largest seller of Curios & Relics Collectible Firearms All: 966966512 The unusual marking is located between the belt loops. 3 days Left DWM 1906 SWISS POLICE LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on Below is continuing description of the second and final conversion. It is identical to the 4mm conversion unit part that retains the barrel and may be one and the same. This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. police cleaning rods, describes them as: Original The second modification occurred in 1929 or possibly much later to comply with the new police holster requirements, by eliminating the cleaning rod sleeve/pouch and adding a spare magazine pouch. It is speculated that the shift was also motivated by the need to communicate with occupied territories during WW2 and the use of Fraktur would inhibit that communication. Regarding the S. H.133. German firearms are loaded with a variety of markings and stamps. Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L.H. As Dwight's database shows, most of the blank toggle Lugers have "t" and "u" serial number suffixes. There are impression lines around this WaA both top and bottom where the edges of the stamp have struck the leather. "The Flag does not fly because of the wind that blows it. Note, these two WaAJL16 holsters are in private collections and are not pictured or discussed in any prior Luger publications, except on Luger forum sites with the last mention of the WaAJL16 stampings being discussed in 2008. Simply a guard at a warehouse. information about where such materiel have been (e.g., which battles in Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. $175.00 Like New Condition. It is a matter of common courtesy to credit the past authors/collectors that for the last three decades have discussed the 29 DWM Lugers in the s, t and u suffix serial range. In regard to Police manuals, this language change is first noted in a 1941 Police manual versus the apparent last use of the Fraktur font in a 1940 police manual. A 108 is found in the upper right backside corner, what could be considered a Police serial marking? Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. Pictured is a variation 1, spring loaded muzzle protector, which is the only one of two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army as indicated by the droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. rural police groups: The Einwohnerwehr was a paramilitary police force formed by Luger Identification Guide - Rework and non-DWM Lugers (1915-1945) This is one of a series of identification guides for small arms. Most of these went to the German Police. This was the largest of the HZa's and located in Bavaria. 03-16-2021 11:59 AM by mrerick. This information came from a small book I have named The Luger Handbook by Aarron Davis. One of just 1,000 made, it includes Cyrillic safety markings and crossed Mosin Nagant rifle engravings (Photos: RIA). No tool pouch. is the only publication that is very specific as to its use, unfortunately, The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. It has all matching parts to include the side plate and take down lever which were stamped again with the same 2 digits as before but on the front of each part like would would see on a military marked pistol. Borge Villy Redsted Pertersen, alias 'Lieutenant Larsen' and other cover names, was among those who overcame. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. Only one other example has ever been documented. Pictured is one such unique example. a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. Fr soll an dem inneren Miederausbau mit= arbeiten, die ffentliche Gicherheit, Ordnung und Ruhe frdern und vor allem jedem Brger die Mglichteit geben, seiner sittlichen Bflicht zur Bettigung seiner geistigen und trperlichen Krfte zum Mohle der Gesamtheit zu gengen. Pictured below are several Police Training and Instruction manuals dating from 1921 through 1949. The 1920 dated and double dated rework Lugers (DWM and Erfurt) are in the "Lugers - DWM Commercial 1898-1929" Gallery. or Landjgerei Schleswig; view 1, view 2 and view 3. The lower underlined rear cover statement of both volumes translates to: Furthermore, all books required for the use of the police schools in all areas of knowledge on the most favorable conditions are to be obtained from the assortment of the next edition. Pictured are view 1, view 2 and view 3 of the subject Police holster. As an example, a major Luger dealer, who occasionally offers The kit is decidedly different in construction and contents from the official Reinigungsgert 34 & R.G.34 fr Kal. The weirdest part is the stamp on the inside back panel. The first toggle link is marked with the Mauser Commercial Banner Code. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. Please report any errors to me. 413 or Landjgerei Gumbinnen; view 1 and view 2. Ventura, CA 93006, USA.) Receiver proof, some reworked 1920 Police and Military Lugers 32. Since this ammo is rare, it is considered to be collectible ammunition. For the rest, however, there has been a tendency to warn the book in its existing form as far as possible. 1918 Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin cut-back artillery to police holster, Luger holstered s/n 5008. unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. ad[0]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/germanmilitaria.jpg'; The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. It is described as "Berlin Police Armory Acceptance Stamp. The Fraktur typefaces were particularly heavily used during the rise of Nazism, when they were initially represented as true German script. Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles. S.B.S.I 1.7 - item 7 in the 1st Centuria within command I of the South Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. 2866 is pictured in two views, one with the Xs removed and the other enhanced. 30. No Longer Available. There are many possible combinations of Military Control Commission), was established to enforce the provisions of Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. Included with the lot is a black leather flap holster (converted from Artillery to Police configuration, renumbered to match pistol, extensive hand . Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. The military character and 19-172 text caption. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. Taming the SFAR: How Ruger's Small-Frame .308 Runs Suppressed. (communications maintenance squadron), Kraftfahrabteilung It was SIG Sauer MCX Review: Next-Gen Modern Sporting Rifle? 1/11/23 - This is an original WW2 era production Luger magazine. links[6]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; 1st model prototype. LUGER POLICE P-08 MAGAZINE. During the Weimar Era, German police power remained decentralized. Regimental Marking [Revised Edition] by Jeff Noll, P.O. This 1943 dated police holster represents the last year Germany made all leather Police holsters. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. 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